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Moms For Marijuana's Lindsey Rinehart, in the black dress, with Cheryl Shuman on "The View"

Moms For Marijuana’s Lindsey Rinehart, in the black dress, with Cheryl Shuman on The View
(from left, host Joy Behar, Jesse Tyler Ferguson, host Barbara Walters, Cheryl Shuman, Lindsey Rinehart, and Simmi Dillhon)

Editor’s note: This is Moms For Marijuana’s Lindsey Rinehart, in her own words, relating her experience of going to New York City and appearing on The View with Cheryl Shuman. Shuman’s side of the story is told every day, extensively, on the Moms For Marijuana International Facebook page. It’s important that the other side be aired, as well. Thanks to Lindsey for sharing her experience with us. ~ Steve Elliott

Let me begin with my intent in sharing this so that it may be clear from the start. I want to see Moms For Marijuana have a comeback without Cheryl Shuman involved in it, or Serra Frank for that matter. It has been too corrupted and tarnished by this duo’s corruption.

This article is about my trip to New York City to appear on The View with Cheryl Shuman and Simmi Dhillon back in June 2013. Then I will explain why that trip matters right now. I was very intimidated by Cheryl’s presence in the movement to begin with. I apologize now for not speaking up sooner. I’m going to address some recent slander that has and hasn’t made headlines yet.

It began with a text message from Cheryl asking me if I wanted to appear with her on The View to discuss my case with the children being stolen as a consequence of being a patient/activist in ID. I said yes. It was about a week out from the date of the show and I was excited! I didn’t know that it wasn’t confirmed and I said that I was going to be on The View on Facebook, with Cheryl.

From left, Simmi Dillhon, Lindsey Rinheart, The View host Whoopi Goldberg, and Cheryl Shuman

From left, Simmi Dillhon, Lindsey Rinheart, The View host Whoopi Goldberg, and Cheryl Shuman

I thought my saying yes was the confirmation that I was going since I had been invited. I didn’t know at that time that she had already offered the slot to both Tonya Davis and Serra Frank in addition to me. She was angry with me that I had made that post.

She then informed me that Serra couldn’t appear with us because she refused to appear using her real name, Jennifer Bennett. In a recent release she said that Serra had insisted I go instead of her. That isn’t true — it’s that she wouldn’t use her name to represent an international organization in a time that it would have made a huge impact. She didn’t mention Tonya until we were In New York.

She continued to get angry over small things until we appeared on the show. I’m not in “The Business” so there are just things that I don’t know about. The View had asked for a biography, to me, in an email directly. I wrote a great bio pretty quickly and shot it back to them and they were pleased with the quality and promptness.

Cheryl was displeased that I “went over her head” by responding to them without having her look it over first. I did cc her in the e-mail. Again, small things, but I was lectured like a little child.

Please don’t get me wrong! I was so grateful for this wonderful opportunity! I thought I was going to get to tell our story of how the state of Idaho had stolen our children for cannabis paraphernalia. I thought the nation would hear, maybe I could mention Compassionate Idaho if I was lucky — Moms too! It was going to be great!

I am still grateful that I was able to reach those that I did. That’s a huge audience and we did get in their living rooms and make them think. Ultimately, that is what matters most. I never spoke of this stuff until now except to close, trusted friends. I didn’t want to even discuss it. It was irrelevant. Now that we are talking about Cheryl’s character so much though, it has become relevant.

Upon arrival in New York I was greeted warmly by Cheryl, who arrived at the hotel at the same time as me. We met up and had some discussion and what I thought/hoped was bonding. I really wanted her to like me and I was grateful to be there.

She had been annoyed by my “green” mistakes and I was relieved to hear her not be that way in person. But I was wrong! The discussion went all over the place that day, with her talking behind a lot of very well respected people’s backs.

I was livid and lost. I didn’t know what to do.

Tonya Davis

Ohio patient/activist Tonya Davis

Before I continue, please know I called both January Thomas and Tonya Davis before I wrote about them. I also have Simmi’s and Brandon Krenzler’s permission to discuss them. This isn’t blindsiding the involved parties.

I don’t think that I heard her talk in a positive way about anyone in all my interaction with her on that trip, or prior. We haven’t had a conversation since.

First, she brought up Tonya Davis, an Ohio patient/activist that I love and respect greatly. I was stunned.

Tonya is like the sweetheart of cannabis reform for many, and I didn’t understand how anyone could have a single problem with her. There wasn’t a real problem… she just wanted to be mean?

She proceeded to tell me that Tonya had been up for the spot that I was getting the following day! When asked why she wasn’t chosen, since A) she’s terminally ill; B) she’d been fighting to address the President of our country for a few months prior; and C) she was geographically closer than me, the answer was that she was “An ineffective activist.”

My jaw dropped. I didn’t repeat it except to my husband and closest girlfriends because I was upset by it. And I didn’t tell Tonya or anyone else.

Let me just say right now, Tonya is an effective activist! I first met her at Seattle Hempfest in 2011 and again 2012 and she inspired me from the minute I met her. If anyone thinks that Tonya is ineffective, maybe they should utilize her more! We come into this movement as patients, not as experts in activism, but Tonya has applied herself and is a huge asset to anyone that will help her fight in Ohio!

Brandon Krenzler and daughter Brave Mykayla

Brandon Krenzler and daughter Brave Mykayla

Then Shuman started attacking Brandon Krenzler and Erin Purchase, Brave Mykayla’s parents! They had appeared on Ricki Lake with her a short time before, and Cheryl was upset for several reasons that all sounded like insignificant crap, such as Brandon’s record (which for these purposes isn’t relevant; his kid has cancer and is winning!), that Erin was with him, his “Convicted” tattoo on his forearm, etc. He addressed all of those allegations recently with this article: Cannabis Patient Brave Mykayla’s Dad: Just Avoid Cheryl Shuman

She had even said more, but we aren’t playing that game. As with Tonya, I happen to really respect this family! I was livid that I was hearing her say these things.

I went ahead and told her I don’t have a record; my husband does, but that’s certainly no secret. I felt pressured to divulge that information, because she didn’t want anymore “surprises” from the guests she was taking on the shows. Everything out of her is an exaggeration loosely based on the truth, was what I concluded.

I didn’t sightsee or really leave the block of the hotel much. It was a long flight to New York from Idaho, and I was tired and in pain. She was tired and in pain. I went to unpack and found out Oh No, I forgot my pants! Only I would do that. They were out of my luggage to hem them.

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I hung my head and went back to Cheryl for my next “green” mistake. I had other clothes with me that would have been suitable but she didn’t want me to wear them. She gave me $100 (I have since heard rumors that she gave me $2,000!!! That did NOT happen!) to get an outfit to go on The View, nothing more, nothing less. I’m not the only person she has done that for either.

I thought it was extremely kind and generous so I accepted and went shopping across the street! But hey, I was shopping in New York for a dress to go on The View! I didn’t want to fight or argue about it, I just wanted to discuss the case and Compassionate Idaho. When I got back she was happy with what I had gotten and we continued on with our day.

We were expecting Simmi soon and I was excited! I had met Simmi before, at Seattle Hempfest, and we had hit it off. Much to my dismay, Cheryl started in on Simmi, who she claimed was her “assistant.” (The thing is, Simmi says she has never even been Cheryl’s assistant; she was her friend!)

Cheryl Shuman and Lindsey Rinehart on The View

Cheryl Shuman and Lindsey Rinehart on The View

Cheryl claimed that Simmi wouldn’t “keep up her appearances.” See, Cheryl explained, she doesn’t really have a lot of money. She doesn’t really own that Ferrari and it’s a lot of appearances- I’m not going into detail in what Cheryl confided in me about her finances, other than that it’s not what it seems.

I confided to her that I am not doing well financially and need dental work replaced that was destroyed when I bit the intubation tube during my surgery in December. It’s embarrassing for me that I can’t get it fixed right now but that’s what happened. I bit out a bridge while knocked out, intubated. God only knows what she’s told people about me since she says so much about others, but I am willing to bet there is a story about my dental work.

She went on to explain that Simmi was “trashing things, ruining them” by not keeping up appearances that she had money. Cheryl had made the claim that Simmi was her assistant to a producer of Weed Country and Simmi had shot back “You couldn’t afford me.” It wasn’t meant to cause problems; it was a joke to her friend. That didn’t stop me from having to listen ALL about it for at least an hour.

Then she moved on to what I was “allowed and not allowed” to say while on air. She then went to no talking of “smoking cannabis” as she was promoting her vape pen. I was expected to discuss only vaping if the discussion went there, not smoking. I was not informed of this detail prior to to my arrival in New York.

Cheryl then went into how horrible she thinks January Thomas is (comedian and Henry Hemp’s wife; I wasn’t familiar with her yet). She proceeded to show me footage of a segment that she did with January where she was convinced that January intentionally stole the segment and sabotaged it.

January Thomas [K-Rock 101.5]

January Thomas
[K-Rock 101.5]

It was almost immediately apparent that it was likely some sort of weird mistake as to why these pieces were together in the same segment other than perhaps they were both about cannabis? She was convinced that January stole the segment and used a bong on it to intentionally discredit her. I doubted it. She shouldn’t have even thought it; she should have known better. The media twist things and group weird things together ALL of the time.

Knowing all she knows about reporting, she should know that they manipulate things regularly. It was like she wanted to make it bigger than it was.

When I asked January about this incident it became clear that there was an error in the network and photo shoots were used in the piece that were from a separate piece she had done. This is when it became 100 percent clear that we were going to have some fundamental issues as she was insisting that bongs are dirty, the smoking of cannabis in general is dirty and is bad for you, and that vaping is the only way to go.

Donald Tashkin, M.D., David Geffen School of Medicine, UCLA: "The main thrust of this paper has confirmed previous results that marijuana in the amounts in which it is customarily smoked does not impair lung function" [ReachMD]

Donald Tashkin, M.D., David Geffen School of Medicine, UCLA:
“The main thrust of this paper has confirmed previous results that marijuana in the amounts in which it is customarily smoked does not impair lung function”
[ReachMD]

I have read Dr. Tashkin’s studies on cannabis in the lungs that he did for our government with the hypothesis that smoked cannabis caused cancer. After 25 years our government stopped paying for that study because it was proving the opposite, that smoked cannabis does not cause cancer. A few years later Dr. Tashkin stated that it was beneficial to our health; shortly later he came out in support of full legalization of cannabis.

I argued with Cheryl. I couldn’t help it. She’s new to the activist realm, relatively, and clearly wasn’t aware that she was spewing propaganda, or so I thought. She insisted that vaping was better for her, and everyone has a preferred method, so I conceded that for her: Sure, vaping may be better.

However, I encouraged her not to say that “smoking cannabis is dangerous,” as that’s not good for our message to have that coming out of such a prominent activist’s mouth. She should know better. We’ll discuss this more in a minute, because she did it on the air! I was shocked no one called her out on it but me!

Lets move to the evening, though, and I’ll spare you the details of dinner. Fast forward a few hours, and we have decided to obtain a small amount of alcohol to drink in our rooms while we “prep some more for the show,” i.e., Cheryl grilling me so I don’t become next on her shit (talk) list.

When we returned Simmi was finally there in the bar, so we went and had drinks with her instead. I had two drinks and was a little bit tipsy! Cheryl was more intoxicated but I thought that maybe she would lighten up. I was wrong. We went to “prepare” further and she became aggressive, “pretending” to be Barbara Walters, intimidating me to prepare me for Barbara, as I was nervous. True to form she took it too far, and we ended the evening.

Cheryl Shuman (right) in New York City with daughter Aimee Shuman [Beverly Hills Cannabis Club]

Cheryl Shuman (right) in New York City with daughter Aimee Shuman
[Beverly Hills Cannabis Club]

The next morning I was sent for coffee for all of us before leaving for The View. When we got there her bad behavior got worse!

It was so incredibly neat to be in a dressing room and getting hair and make-up. We could see comedian Jesse Tyler Ferguson kinda, from our door of our room to his, so she set up her camera and started to gather footage of him without his knowledge, even though it was expressed to us not to run video.

I didn’t like that she did it and put my drink in the way. Right when she went to move it (she got mad at me, again), a producer walked in the room and told her to turn it off. As soon as the producer walked away she resumed recording. The producer then returned and told her to turn it off and keep it off. It was rude, and disrespectful, and embarrassing to be part of that by association. I was able to move on because Whoopi Goldberg is an amazing woman and she hung out with us all the rest of the time!

Then we got more company in the dressing room, a person to go over a statement from the government with us they insisted they must read, lo and behold, it’s a statement from the government about cannabis, a quote, from Dr. Donald Tashkin’s previous work! I think they were trying to figure out who to direct the question/statement to, and out came my outrage. I explained that I thought it was wrong for them to read that because it was lies. They chose me to address on the stage.

There is a huge problem! When it was presented onstage Cheryl took the question! Barbara Walters read the outdated statement from Dr. Tashkin, rather than his current position, and instead of just letting me answer, Cheryl swoops in and says “Actually, I agree with that statement…”

I was livid in that moment, and then she goes on to promote her Vape Pen! I couldn’t believe she had just agreed with all of that propaganda on national TV — to promote her Vape Pen!

Cheryl Shuman told a huge national TV audience that "smoking cannabis is bad for you"... in order to hawk vape pens

Cheryl Shuman told a huge national TV audience that “smoking cannabis is bad for you”… in order to hawk vape pens

We were all so grateful that the movement was on daytime TV that I think people let it slide. They shouldn’t have, in my opinion, but I was done dealing with Cheryl as soon as it happened. I guess I shouldn’t have been surprised but I was.

Now, of course, I went to find this video but The View only has the first 5 minutes up-ish. I’m going to have to get the DVD back from my lawyer so that I can upload my copy, but it has to come from Boise to my new home here in Oregon. Please let me know if you have a copy!

After we got back to the hotel, I got away from her and went and hung out with Simmi for lunch before we all flew out.

The whole experience was a whirlwind that I will forever be grateful for, and also one I will no longer sit in silence for either. We don’t need someone damaging our movement the way Cheryl did with her personal attack on Huffington Post Live the day before yesterday about Parents For Pot, and the way she agrees with propaganda for profit.

She’s just not a good fit for this movement overall. The most important thing that Moms For Marijuana International does is to educate the public on all things cannabis. How can we trust her to do that when she’s already shown that she won’t focus on doing just that when she was given the opportunity?

There are several reasons that I don’t believe she’s a good fit for Moms ethics-wise, including buying Serra Frank expensive gifts to try and smooth over a scandal.

She needs to resign from Moms For Marijuana International before she tarnishes it further, or anything else, in it’s name.

 

  • Mal

    News flash from science land – any time you inhale smoke of any kind, it is cancerous. Of course vaporizing is better for your health. Yes, she jumped in to promote her vaporizers. It doesn’t matter, but Shuman is exactly the person who can reach that audience of voters.

  • MMJ Activist

    I hate this hollywood schill , she is EVIL and will be found out !!! Karma will literally be PUNCHING her in the face

  • http://tokesignals.com/ Steve Elliott ~alapoet~

    WRONG. The cannabinoids in smoked marijuana offset the harmful effects of the smoke.

    Sorry, the science just doesn’t agree with you and Shuman on this one!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html

    http://www.nowpublic.com/health/new-us-study-affirms-smoked-marijuana-protects-against-cancer

  • Brian

    Then why are there numerous studies showing that THC kills cancer cells? I know Steve already beat me to it, but here’s a link to more studies: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/23/20-medical-studies-that-prove-cannabis-can-cure-cancer/

  • SteveSarich

    Does anyone have an answer for why “Serra” steadfastly refuses to use “Jennifer Bennett”, her real name? If find this rather curious.

  • Pyfho

    wrong

  • SteveSarich

    It’s very hard to understand why anyone would be defending Cheryl Shuman at this point. Don’t we have enough insidious grifters in this community without adding another one?

  • kathy n

    excellent article Lindsey. anyone in the movement that cares to educate themselves fully and not use it to promote products knows that smoking cannabis is NOT bad for you, neither is vaping, neither are medibles, neither is any of the plant. it is ALL good for us. The leaves, the flowers, hemp and cannabis both. If smoking doesn’t bother you, then do it. Whatever way you prefer to take this miracle plant is up to the person. Cheryl, it is obvious, is using the movement to create a successful business. What you describe in your experiences with her is all Ego from her. It is unfortunate that she feels that she has to be in that way in order to get her business going via this movement. She should stop drinking alcohol and just use cannabis. Alcohol, from what you experienced, makes her angrier. She should use honesty as her policy, admit to all good science about this plant and THEN hawk her products. I see nothing wrong with having products based on this new business endeavor due to it becoming medically legal and legal; but one must do this with character and worth and with the main goal being to get the plant decriminalized NOT legalized. just decriminalize it and leave us all the hell alone. we don’t need big pharma growing this stuff and using monsanto poisons on them and killing the beauty that is the miracle that is cannabis. Cheryl should not be allowed to use the movement as her business vehicle and treating people badly in the process. Grow up honey and pay for your advertising the way everyone else does. Be kind and you will receive all the success you long for.

  • M

    So my question, as a member of the cannabis community is, how do we move forward from this? Cheryl has and continues to be in the spotlight as a “cannabis advocate” in the international media. She is obviously blatantly lying about cannabis and our community advocates (such as on her HuffPost Live interview) which is damaging to all of us and our work. Because she has managed to be in the spotlight, be on tv, rather easily get interviews, etc. her opinion is what non-cannabis enthusiasts and the rest of the world see and hear. I doubt many people outside of our community are reading or hearing these horror stories about her. Right? How do we stop her from getting on national tv shows and how do we instead get our voices heard? Thanks for informing us about all of this TokeSignals & cannabis community–I know I was fooled by her, until now.
    Thanks,
    M

  • Shari Peterson

    So Cheryl should step aside. Is the industry grooming someone who doesn’t look like a strung out pot head or uses dirty bongs on TV? If no, now many millions of households will you get into? How receptive will grandma or your conservative parents be seeing the same type of person wanting legalization that they see walking down the street wearing a big pot leaf on their shirt? How many middle America people are going to identify with that? Just curious, because for LEGALIZATION in any meaningful way you have to get the masses behind something not just a bunch of activists wearing stuffed pot leaves on their heads spinning their wheels.

    How well someone presents DOES MATTER. Ask anyone in the reality TV world – there’s a reason why some shows work and some don’t – because of their likeability on TV, how they are received by the audience.

    You may hate Cheryl but her image blows away anyone else’s. We are at 58% approval for legalization of pot now in this nation. Never before has the number been that high.

    find this to be the ultimate in hypocrisy, sharing personal things someone shared in confidence while worrying that this same person might share personal things you shared in confidence. Well gosh isn’t that fucking hypocrisy to beat all hypocrisy.

    “Cheryl claimed that Simmi wouldn’t “keep up her appearances.” See,
    Cheryl explained, she doesn’t really have a lot of money. She doesn’t
    really own that Ferrari and it’s a lot of appearances- I’m not going
    into detail in what Cheryl confided in me about her finances, other than
    that it’s not what it seems.

    I confided to her that I am not doing well financially and need
    dental work replaced that was destroyed when I bit the intubation tube
    during my surgery in December. It’s embarrassing for me that I can’t get
    it fixed right now but that’s what happened. I bit out a bridge while
    knocked out, intubated. God only knows what she’s told people about me
    since she says so much about others, but I am willing to bet there is a
    story about my dental work.”

    I think EVERYONE should get exactly what they ALL DESERVE for being nasty hypocritical, fake people. But thank God there are so many perfect people in this world who can throw stones at others.

  • Shari Peterson

    If anyone else in the industry had the image, they’d be on every single talk and news show on TV. Why do you think she worries about what people are wearing when they go on a show with her? BECAUSE IMAGE DOES MATTER. I surely don’t blame her for that. Would I do it? Hell no, not my thing. I could give a rat’s ass for fame or fortune.

    Why doesn’t Katie Couric wear jeans and a t-shirt? Because her respectability would go away. That’s the reality of TV, PERIOD.

    Everyone else thinks that doesn’t matter. Is everyone else getting continuously asked to go on TV shows? And when they do, can they stand up to the scrutiny? Do they talk as smoothly as she does?

    My God it’s so simple it’s scary yet nobody can see this?

    Produce someone else that can do what Cheryl does because as of right now you are destroying the one image that the masses have taken to quite strongly. And they are changing their minds about legalization as a result.

  • Cheri Sicard

    Uh, how did The View become “copyright Cheryl Shuman”?

  • Tielman

    Well said Kathy n. Let’s ignore her for now and if she’s going to persist in making herself appear silly in the eyes of the public, we call her out. Ego driven people don’t like being caught out or ignored.

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    Good! Let them change their minds about “legalization”, as since that’s what we already have, we’ll be able to stop pushing for “the same thing we’ve already got with a slightly different name that we are led to believe sounds a little better” and FINALLY start moving towards the REPEAL OF CANNABIS PROHIBITION once and for all!

    I have honestly never heard a single positive thing said about Cheryl Shuman, and I’m one of the few people who at least TRIED to look at things from her side in the past…but no more. It’s just too obvious that she’s ONLY in it for her own benefit, no matter who she hurts.

    The things I’ve seen her do over the last week alone have absolutely amazed me! When I watched The View, I was a little annoyed that the other women weren’t allowed to speak nearly as long as they should have (in my opinion), but I was absolutely FURIOUS when she took the best chance she would ever get to push the idea of the REPEAL of cannabis prohibition to an international audience, and deliberately BLEW IT, in favor of trying to hack some co-opted electronic cigarette, that I’ve heard she no longer even has anything to do with! (Probably no choice of hers, if true.)

    The longer we allow prohibition to continue, and the longer we keep supporting FRAUDS and PROFITEERS and PROHIBITIONISTS to run things, the longer we are NOT going to move towards getting EVERYONE under the common banner that we all so loudly and often like to “say” we are under…even as we fund our own oppression and deliberately attack ourselves.

    It’s time to make an amazingly simple choice: Either we want prohibition to continue forever, or we want it OVER.

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    Gotta say, it’s a refreshing thing to see people calling out a shill for being what she is.

    The more of these FRAUDS we can get rid of, the more support will be available for the infinitesimally few of us who actually want prohibition put to an end once and for all.

    Far as I see it, the sooner we’re rid of that type of people in the movement as a whole, the sooner we can REALLY get under a common banner…what I TRIED to do with OTW.

    Worse comes to worse, at least when they’re gone, it’ll free up water and oxygen that would be much better utilized by more important and beneficial organisms…like…cockroaches and syphilis spirochetes…

  • Russell Orsborn

    I guess I got fooled to, damn…everything looked so rosy and cozy from facebook and TV…now what, are the companies she reps bogus too? HempmendsPX etc?? Vapepen??!! what do you think Steve. Just trying to do the right thing here, and maybe eat a meal once in a while the process. so far speaking out has basically cost me my job, bankrupted me financially, and isolated me from 47.5% of my community…not complaining. I saw what I hoped was someone already wealthy, promoting the cause that I am living everyday. In the back of my head, something said this is to good to be true, but i guess I’ll ride that train for a bit and see where we get off. well, here I am, standing at the friggin train station feeling like an idiot….I feel isolated even more now. I live on the East side of Washington, Spokane is 100 miles away. I can’t afford to fix the battery cable on my 1988 Ford Ranger, and I am hearing about activists and Ferrarris, and Beverly Hills, TV contacts. Remember that guy on the movie, the radio announce, stuck his head out of the window, and shouted, “I’ve had enough, and i am not going to take it anymore”, and I have had enough to drive me over the edge, not the crazy phsyco edge. The one where you turn to your wife and say, that’s it, time to commit full time, got to tell the world, everyday, everyminute, everytime, and she turns to me and says “It’s time honey, the world is tired of rich movie stars/hollywood types and stoners from Ridgemont High telling them they should smoke pot to save their lives. time for a clean shaven, short haired, redneck, blue collar, stock car driving, log house building, working in a grocery store, hemp eating, MMJ smoking Grandfather of 55 guy to tell America the truth, and you, are that guy”, Cannabis got me out of a wheelchair 30 years ago, I have been working ever since, in massive pain daily and at night , but on my feet and trying to work every day if I can.

    She’s right, I am that guy, We already have the dreadlock crowd with us, we always have, most of my good friends are that crowd, we already have the hollywood/actor crowd we always have, what we need to change america is to bring the redneck, blue collar, conservative to the party, and they aren’t listening to our people, they want to hear it from someone like me, not someone who put on overalls and a plaid shirt, someone with both their thumbs broken from work, someone who cuts their own firewood and builds a house from logs, prays and races on sunday, thats’ who conservatives talk and listen to, and right now, that’ the crowd in our way. My wife, (and actually everyone I know) tells me I am absolutely fearless when it comes to speaking about what I believe in…they’re right…people have always said, don’t ask Russell his opinion if you don’t want to hear it, yes I am a Sagittarian, (spelling?), so it’s not all my fault..open letter to both Steves, I don’t know much about activism, but when i worked in the computer industry from 1982 – 2001 I spoke to large groups of Architects and Engineers, sometimes as many as a 1,000 or more at a time, it’s been a while but if i can talk to that group i can talk to any group, bring them on the more conservative the better….this goes out to both Steve’s, put me in front of people, use me, as the clay you mold into a pot that changes America. Call me 970-227-2743, or , I will not waist your time, nor make you regret you took the time

  • http://tokesignals.com/ Steve Elliott ~alapoet~

    If you really think the “image” being projected by Shuman with actions such as those in this article, and others, is the one we need in this industry?

    You, Shari Peterson, have my pity and my scorn.

  • http://tokesignals.com/ Steve Elliott ~alapoet~

    I’ll tell you what, Shari Peterson:

    While you worry about stupid, shallow shit like what people are wearing, and while you’re indulging in your brainless star-worship, why don’t you just shut the hell up, get out of the way, and let those of us who are interested in doing actual activism, do it, without listening to your annoying, clueless whining.

    Deal?

    Oh, speaking of “standing up to the scrutiny”? If your girl Shuman is nearly as “smooth” as you claim she is? This shit should be NO PROBLEM for her. So calm your dumb ass down, k? Thx bai.

  • Heather Houghton

    I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. How in the hell did this slimy, crooked, untruthful predator, Cheryl Shuman, become the face of Medical Marijuana? I’ve got a suggestion for where she can stick that vaporizer.

  • SteveSarich

    Hempfest gave her their “Activist of the Year” award….”grifters of a feather”…..

  • Cheri Sicard

    You obviously don’t many real activists. Broaden your horizons.

  • Charles Waller

    What is that in your hand?

  • Shari Peterson

    Calm my dumb ass down? I am not heated so there’s nothing to calm down. ;)

    I don’t worry about what people are wearing either as evidenced by my comment: Would I do it? Hell no, not my thing. I could give a rat’s ass for fame or fortune.

    You are the dumb ass who obviously has poor reading comprehension.

    So where are all your qualified activists? Why aren’t they burning up the airwaves? LOL

  • Shari Peterson

    Yes that’s right I keep forgetting that CHERYL DOES THE VIDEO EDITING FOR ALL THE TV SHOWS AND THAT IS WHY THEY CHOOSE TO AIR HER AND NOT PEOPLE WHO DON’T PRESENT WELL. is that right? No it’s not BUT SHE DOESN’T DECIDE WHAT ENDS UP ON TV. Do you know how TV works? They shoot hours of video and then cut it way down and most ends up on the cutting room floor. But yes, blame Cheryl for that. Why not?

  • Shari Peterson

    I don’t need your pity and could care less if I have your scorn. So where are those droves of activists that you’d rather see on TV? Why aren’t they ON TV? That’s what I’m asking. she’s done more than you or anyone else has nationwide to change the perception of pot.

    Why isn’t Harry Hemp with his great pot leaf stuff hat asked to go on TV? Oh they would ask him, so they could set up a segment to MOCK the movement.

    Yeah that would really help things.

  • saracsit

    Tell you what Shari, why don’t you find a post about how great CS is? Find and post something from people who have worked with her that actually like her. What? You can’t? No surprise. I have not heard or seen one good thing about her. Certainly not on this webpage. So why are you here? You aren’t going to change any minds here.
    I do agree she is very, very good at selling herself. Herself. One person. Not anyone else. And that Huffington Post live appearance was terrible. Slander and inexcusable.
    I choose to distance myself from her and Moms for Marijuana. Go her.
    And if anyone is interested, I’m 55, not a grandma, and there are lots of us who could present as well as CS on TV.
    Go away.

  • SteveSarich

    I guess they could put me on TV…or any number of other activists, including Tonya Davis.

    I don’t wear a “pot leaf hat” and I CERTAINLY wouldn’t go on TV and lie about cannabis smoking causing cancer in order to sell my own brand of junk vaporizers. She’s not an “activist”….she’s out there selling “Shamwows” and doing personal self-promotion at the expense of the truth about the dangers of medical cannabis.

    Are you say that this HELPS the “perception of pot” by feeding into the lie that it causes lung cancer? Is that the message you think we should be applauding?

    Are you saying that we need to just accept this or we’ll just be stuck with “Harry Hemp”? Are you really saying that these are our ONLY choices? I vote for “none of the above”.

    Are you saying it’s all right to scam contributors out of their money because she can get herself free air-time? Sorry….that’s a totally bullshit argument!

    How about we all agree that we should be having people that tell the TRUTH out there speaking on our behalf instead of some phony grifters? How about we get people that aren’t afraid to use their real names? How about we give our donations to actual charitable organization that keep records of where the donations go? (and not in our own pockets!)

    These people are indefensible and you should quit while you’re behind. Don’t further embarrass yourself defending those that have decided that to grift off the medical cannabis community.

    Cheryl Shuman is just as much a caricature of the medical cannabis community as “Harry Hemp”….only Harry isn’t stealing the contributions!

    By the way….did I miss something? We’re we supposed to see some accounting of the missing money?

    Steve Sarich
    Cannabis Action Coalition

  • Charles Waller

    And when a prominent “activist” is exposed as a shallow, manipulative, self-serving opportunist spreading false information to pad her own pockets everyone who has been fighting Schedule 1 classification and prohibition since Day 1 will be smeared with the same shit and the “movement” will take a big hit. As one of those people who has preached the truth about cannabis to anyone who would listen for the last 40 years, all I can say is ” With friends like that, who needs enemies?”. Steve and I do not always agree, and I have been quite critical of him several times on his site, but I must stand shoulder to shoulder with him on this issue. Where were you in 1972?

  • Charles Waller

    As with “I could not care less.”, you failure to understand grammar rdverses your obvious intent in stating “I could give a rat’s ass for fame or fortune.”. You could give a rat posterior for fame & fortune, but I doubt you would find many willing to strike the bargain. As the “book” of christian mythology states so well, remove the beam from your own eye…”. Before you question the intelligence of another, check your own, eh?

  • Steph Peters

    She might have a sharp image, but a very dull skull to be saying things like marijuana is dangerous.

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    Yeah, you’re right. It’s TV editors who are to blame for her lies outside of the studio, and her attacks on other people, because they don’t use that stuff on the air, and she has to repeat it “in the real world” to offset the lies she tells that are cut from syndication.

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    May karma run over her dogma, and eliminate the negativity.

    Ommmmmmmm… d;o)

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    And amazingly, deliberately inaccurate, to put it as mildly as possible. She’s a closet prohibitionist…who accidentally outed herself on international broadcast TV!

    “Whooooooops!” d=O)

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    Been saying it for a couple years now: We COULD end it NOW, if we “really” wanted to.

    1) DEschedule.
    2) Repeal.
    3) DONE!!!

    So far, we keep choosing “NOT Repeal.” Eventually, we’re going to have to wake up, see reality for what it is, and just do what needs to be done. OURSELVES.

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    When I heard of that, it made me sick. They could have honored a REAL activist whose goal it was to actually help educate and inform others.

    I keep saying, if they supported the few of us who were actually trying to REPEAL prohibition, instead of the ones who want to expand or maintain or promote it…we’d have it killed off, buried and forgotten in a month.

  • Steph Peters

    Are Cheryl Shuman and Jodie Emery related? I ask because they’ve been photographed so much together, it made me wonder. Jodie is always acting poor begging for donations, while dressed to the nines and traveling in first class style. Who else besides Jodie and Cheryl INSIST on wearing stiletto heels to an outdoor hempfest event as if they are better than the rest of us? Struttin’ their stuff in front of cameras like they are movie stars. Getting the star treatment from Seattle Hempfest while the REAL activists who do the real grunt work are neglected or overlooked. Grow up already! High school is over, ladies, and even if it wasn’t, neither of you are even good looking enough to make homecoming queen so stop frontin’ as if you are.

  • Steph Peters

    Hempfest’s founder also gushed over Shuman and Emery, I guess he’s bedazzled by stilettos.

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    “Birds of a feather shit on whoever they need to get on top.”

    — Me. (Just now.)

    “The Clan Emerhhoid” is another cult who refuses to say the words “REPEAL CANNABIS PROHIBITION” as well. They’ve got some nicely profitable business operations going that would likely suffer “if the cool kids didn’t ante up.”

    Let’s face it: If grandma can just chuck a few seeds out in the garden to grow some glaucoma prevention, al of the little punks whose predominant thought is “I’m smokin’ weed, so that means I’m cool!” won’t be so cool once they learn that Granny’s got better shit than they could ever hope to get from “the other cool kids.”

    Actually…just had a thought…can you imagine it? “What? Grandma just made brownies? AWESOME! We gotta go over NOW!!!”

    As to “hempfail”, I also know several REAL activists who were deliberately overlooked, even though they work their asses off for what hempfest “used to stand for”…but I won’t detail any of that, as it’s “somewhat off topic”, but Seattle has become more of a joke than anything behind the scenes over the last few years with REAL activists.

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    I’m going to immediately inform Harry Hemp about that. I’m calling first thing December!

    (A few will get that… d;o)

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    Honestly, I’ve wracked my brain and I can’t remember anyone who has ever supported CS (BS?!) for long, and they always seem to do so at arm’s length.

    I think we’re just seeing why, now that she’s attacking more people who everyone KNOWS are out for “the greater good”, and not “the greater good of myself”, as seems to be her only real objective.

    Damned shame…a year ago, I thought she was “a fairly hot lil’ blonde”, and now, it’s clear that it’s nothing more than stage makeup…and it can’t hide the ugly that seeps out of the marrow.

  • SteveSarich

    Hmmmmm….I don’t think anyone, even those who don’t like me, would argue that I’m not a leading activist for the medical cannabis community here in Washington. I’ve certainly been banned from speaking at Hempfest for the last three years, without any type of real excuse whatsoever from the Hempfest cult.

    NOW I KNOW! I’m not wearing stiletto heals and a push-up bra to activist events! (though I’m not implying for one second that Hempfest, Vivian McPeak or John Davis have any direct relationship with real activism, mind you).

    Yet Cheryl Shuman was awarded the “National Activist of the Year” award by the Hempfest cult. Watch her and tell me if YOU can figure out why! How many ways can you scream “BIMBO”!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNZs4xLNM5w

  • SteveSarich

    It can wait :-)

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    Simple: Those who tell the truth get no support from the people who are too busy whining that “someone (else…but not me…) really needs to do something about that.”

    Those with TV/radio shows don’t want to talk about the issues with people that won’t “bring in the listeners”, so a lot of the time, the frauds up the ratings, and that’s what takes priority.

    This is a world in which superficial appearance is everything, and actual substance means nothing…especially if the media shill tells you that you don’t care about it…whatever “it” might be.

    The ONLY THING that people REFUSE to support is what they say they want the loudest.

    The ONLY THING that people absolutely REFUSE to believe is the truth.

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    I’m all out of rat’s asses, myself. Got a squirrel trap out back, though…I wonder what the current exchange rate is?

  • SteveSarich

    Naw….she’s just an old fashioned grifter selling snake-oil to make a buck. No integrity….just using all the other users, like Hempfest, to gain notoriety so she can be a really famous grifter and make some money off the unsuspecting. She could care less about the “movement” one way or the other.

  • Scott Sherwood

    Bullshit! it was Dr Guptas change of heart that changed peoples minds about MMJ. Not Ms. Shuman. When She started her club BHCC she sent everyone an invitation who went to Beverly Hills High School from 1970 on. I know because I received one as well as a friend request on my FB page. The nerve of that woman. She may have gotten 10-20 people from that stunt out of 5000 invites. No one from Beverly Hills wants to have anything to do with her. Her address is a mail drop. Who would want to do business with a mail drop.

  • Scott Sherwood

    I could name a dozen people, more knowledgeable about the law and with more respect than this woman. Holliman, Steph Sherer, Don Duncan, to name 3. The ASA does fine work lobbying for our cause. Don’t let this Fraud C.S. ruin everything we have tried to do for the last 40+ years. You must step down as Moms for Marijuana International or you Cheryl Shuman will drag the whole thing down with your over inflated ego.

  • SteveSarich

    The ASA is no different from the rest….MPP, NORML, DPA….collecting money and working to make sure we NEVER have true legalization….that would put THEM out of business.

    The ASA got kicked out of Colorado and they have no organization in Washington….and haven’t for years now. What’s it tell you when they have no organization in either of the two states with “legalization” and medical cannabis?

    Steph Sherer is now trying to meddle in Washington State politics on medical cannabis, while we have a crisis going on here, and she doesn’t even understand the fight! The ASA can stay out of Washington….and we won’t miss them a bit.

  • https://www.youtube.com/anticherylvids J. David

    This has been added to the Cannabis Movement Fallout section at http://encyclopediadramatica.es/Cheryl_Shuman Sure, it’s an article where humor, parody and sarcasm are priorities, but it is also one of the few long-standing places where we get to hold a collection of permanent, valid complaints against CS.

  • Scott Sherwood

    Gee I didn’t know the people who I lobbied with in Sacramento were such bad people. I better be careful who my donations go to. Sounds like you have a problem with organized opposition. Now the MMP, DPA, and NORML are also poor choices for leading our cause, or do you prefer how it was, snake oil salesman in high heels.

  • Steph Peters

    Thanks for that article! It’s great. Thanks for caring about the truth

  • Steph Peters

    Why did Vivian McPeak say Jodie Emery is his favorite speaker at Hempfest? Has anyone heard her speak? It’s all one note. WHHHHIIINE. And they gave Cheryl an award too, all in the same year? Why is there a need to honor those who don’t deserve it.

  • Steph Peters

    Aaron has a point there. She has created a lot of havoc.

  • Steph Peters

    Can you tell me why Vivian McPeak told Jodie she was his favorite speaker? He didn’t do it privately, he did it onstage, so the whole world would know just how biased Hempfest really is.

  • Steph Peters

    Emerhhoid? OH I get it, Hemorhhoid lol

  • Lindsey Rinehart

    I don’t PRETEND to have money to fuel a movement while really not having money! Are you kidding me?? I don’t care if people know I”m broke. I’m REAL, not renting a Ferrari to be part of the fucking “In Crowd.” Clearly you aren’t familiar with me but I know how to dress for the TV, testifying before government or whatever. Google is your friend. Check it out. Also, take a look around honey, you are the only one standing up for her. Just like I said in the article, when she resigns from Moms, I’ll leave it be. She is destroying something based on Education, not money. Go look at their fb page. It’s all signed by her. Thing is, we never signed our posts. It’s not about us, it’s about the movement. I never had a problem with her shameless self promotion because it was shameless. At that point in time I didn’t know she was spewing propaganda to sell her stuff. That is shameful misinformation from someone who knew better!!! She heard me tell the Truth about it a few minutes before she said it. She needs to resign, especially when this behavior isn’t isolated.

  • SteveSarich

    No. I prefer “none of the above”. You’re assuming that NORML is on the side of patients? I can certainly prove that that assumption is totally incorrect!

    DPA funded, and NORML supported, I-502 that may very well end medical cannabis in Washington State….as we predicted. It’s responsible for the first voter-passed per se DUID bill in the country….that puts ALL medical cannabis patients, as well as recreational users, at serious risk.

    What I AM saying is that we don’t have one national group that hasn’t, or won’t, sell out the patients. They are interested in raising money to pay their salaries….and if we win this battle….they are all out of jobs. So, logic tells me that they don’t want to lose their jobs. Right?

    The ASA is now down to just Steph Sherer and two office staffers. That’s their “national organization”. NORML has lost ALL of their support here in Washington for supporting I-502 and for throwing the patients under the bus. They have referred to patients in the press as “fakers” and called medical cannabis “a scam”. Does this sound like we want to be supporting them?

    I put NORML in the same boat a Cheryl Shuman…in fact, they’re a perfect fit for each other. Their all grifters that could give a shit less about patients. They want our money….we want them out of our lives! We quit feeding them, they quit coming around looking for food.

  • SteveSarich

    I believe he was staring at her chest at the time. He certainly wasn’t referring to her brilliant speaking ability. Vivian suffers from occasional attacks of “bimbosis”. Same reason he likes Cheryl so much.

  • Scott Sherwood

    I haven’t the faintest idea. I wasn’t there. Nor have I heard her speak. What I do know is If I hadn’t been in my electric wheelchair and in the company of the ASA I should never even gotten in the state capitol to plead my case. Does that sound like people only in it for the check? When I have a question about a certain ruling that has come down, I write them and get an answer in a day or 2. I don’t know about your dealings with these groups but apparently nothing good came out of them.

  • medcannabis1

    now now Steve..you could look really good in the “right color” of pumps…and maybe a trip to Nordstrums fine apparel department would help with your image..:)

  • medcannabis1

    I normally do not speak on the mis-directed anger over this situation..BUT… Ms Peterson, there are many activists that are working 16 hour days to say the medical cannabis program in Washington..to maintain whole plant botanical substance for the Public Commons..to provide the Cannabis Civilization with a compassionate and knowledgeable model that cares for and about our fellow citizens.

    This is not about ” we hate Cheryl Schuman”, this is about the destructive nature and under the table dealing that have occurred byMs Schumans actions.. multiple cloning of the Moms4 Marijuana domains and putting them in her name.. that alone should have got her removed from the organization and a lawsuit should have begun at that very moment. There is such a thing as a civil court of law..there have been gross corporate structure violations of tortious interference

    Tortious interference with contract rights can occur where the tortfeasor convinces a party to breach the contract against the plaintiff,
    or where the tortfeasor disrupts the ability of one party to perform
    his obligations under the contract, thereby preventing the plaintiff
    from receiving the performance promised. The classic example of this
    tort occurs when one party induces another party to breach a contract
    with a third party, in circumstances where the first party has no
    privilege to act as it does and acts with knowledge of the existence of
    the contract. Such conduct is termed tortious inducement of breach of
    contract.

    Tortious interference with business relationships occurs where the tortfeasor acts to prevent the plaintiff
    from successfully establishing or maintaining business relationships.
    This tort may occur when a first party’s conduct intentionally causes a
    second party not to enter into a business relationship with a third
    party that otherwise would probably have occurred. Such conduct is
    termed tortious interference with prospective business relations,
    expectations, or advantage or with prospective economic advantage.

    In either of the above situations, the tortfeasor’s conduct must be intentional. There is no cause of action for merely negligent interference with the performance of a contract.[1]

  • Charles Waller

    I would demad at least 10 rat asses per squirrel’s – and only if the rats were grain fed. Sewer rats would be no higher than 1:10,000 ;-)

  • kathy n

    oh my. your meanderings are just that. if you actually believe the words you wrote above, which by the way are hateful and trite and short-sighted and the opposite of what this nation needs, then you have no clue about this movement and what it is all about.

    it certainly isn’t about ‘a look’, my dear. who gives a crap about what people think about what other people look like from their subjective view point? WHO CARES!!!! (not a question). the paradigm of that way of thinking is long gone.

    This is not ‘reality tv’. This is reality. 2 different things.

    And since you bring up reality tv and how people care about how other people ‘look’…. have you watched reality tv as of late? Do you live on another planet? All of the people I see on reality tv look like hell or look like barbie dolls. They act badly and are an embarrassment to their families, who also don’t care because they end up on these stupid shows for the money as well.

    What a horrible comparison you make. It is useless to this conversation. And by comparing the looks of people, you are SO missing the point of this article and what is really going on.

    The only thing the masses of middle America need (not sure why you only point out a very small amount of the entire worlds population and how they would matter anymore than anyone else, but i digress) is TRUTH. Truth goes a long way. I also would like to point out, again, who cares what middle America thinks? I sure as hell don’t.

    I care what I think and how I feel and how my fellow human beings feel, not about one group that has no say or control over what I or anyone else does with their lives or about this miracle plant.

    The only things that should be talked about on tv, radio and the www and anywhere else are the FACTS of what the plant can do for all of us and how we have been systematically lied to because of greed and corruption and ego. And not just cannabis but also hemp. They would change the planet and the paradigm that you obviously still live in.

    I don’t care if a strangle little hobbit creature is espousing these truths, I would want to hear them. If someone in ‘middle America’ can’t stand the way Lindsey looks, then turn the channel. No one cares about such ridiculous, backward thinking!

    And you use Cheryl’s name in the same sentence as where we are at percentage-wise of approval. Do you actually think Cheryl is responsible for all that? You must be high or atleast, you should be. How vain and delusional.

    Lindsey shared her story because she felt it was important to let people know that lies are being spoken in order to sell a product instead of educating for the movement. I am not sure how you missed that hypocrisy. A national movement to educate means just that. Not lying in order to sell a friggin’ vape pen.

    Now, please, put the stone down.

  • Charles Waller

    I don’t see anyone but you referring to editorial control, just what she said and did. Are you saying she had no control there either? If so, all the more reason not to be associated with her.

  • kathy n

    Dr. Gupta, always late to the party. Now that he believes, everyone else will. oh please. i am glad he woke up but he is not the reason either. anyone that thinks one person is the reason, really does not get it.

    We are talking about energy here folks. The force of nature that is ‘we the people’. We are changing the world by collectively coming together with our energy and what we want for this world.

    It is so obvious. Open your eyes, all of them and SEE.

    Stop the nasty words and pointing fingers and acting like children. WE are making this happen. NOT ONE PERSON.

  • onebrownmouse

    ASA is not welcome by real activists in Colorado and SAFER is all but dissolved here since Mason Tvert got his national spokesperson position at MPP…ASA wasted money on suing the feds over schedule 1 to 2–which would benefit only big pharma….I would like you to provide evidence on what ASA has done for state (especially CO) or federal ‘legalization’.

  • SteveSarich

    I believe they’ve been gone from Colorado since they disbanded “Coloradans for Safe Access”. Sonya Yee was thrown out for improper activities connected with steering patients to Dan Pope who was selling the patients Mexican dirt weed for $250-$300 an ounce. This was back in 2005 I believe. If you go to their website, they have ZERO representation in Colorado.

    I ran the ASA here in Washington for a couple of years until they screwed me over and I kicked them to the curb. I believe that was 2006 and they have never rebuilt an organization here since then. Again, if you check their site, they have no ASA representation in Washington and haven’t since 2006.

    I believe they got kicked to the curb in Oregon too and have no representation there either.

    Check their list of chapters on their website. You can see for yourself, they have very little representation outside California anymore. And now they no longer have an office in California either.

    That doesn’t stop Steph Sherer from trying to stick her nose in Washington legislative politics….which she knows NOTHING about. They’re trying to do that again this year. This will do far more harm than good since they don’t understand the politics on the ground here right now. They really just want to collect donations here and pretend they’re doing something….which they aren’t.

    The ASA is now just three people, including Steph Sherer, in an office in D.C. If you think they’ve accomplished something in all these other states, or on a Federal basis, please post of list. I’m sure we’d all love to see it.

    The ASA is no more welcome here in Washington than it is in Colorado.

  • SteveSarich

    What make you think that the ASA has anything to do with passing these laws. Most of the MMJ laws are being spear-headed by local state activists….not the ASA, NORML or MPP….as much as they’d like to take credit….and claim donation money for it.

  • malcolmkyle

    Here follows what Shuman must already know but refuses to acknowledge in order to enrich herself on our tab:

    1) Tobacco is cancer causing largely because it delivers specific carcinogens such as NNK and NNAL that are not present in cannabis. Not all “tar” is created equal, and tobacco has some of the most carcinogenic types of tar known to science, whereas cannabis does not.

    http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/91/14/1194

    2) Cannabis (marijuana) use is associated with a DECREASE in several types of cancer… potentially even providing a protective effect against tobacco and alcohol related cancer development.

    Donald Tashkin, a UCLA researcher whose work is funded by NIDA, did a case-control study comparing 1,200 patients with lung, head and neck cancers to a matched group with no cancer. Even the heaviest marijuana smokers had no increased risk of cancer, and had somewhat lower cancer risk than non-smokers (tobacco smokers had a 20-fold increased lung cancer risk). Tashkin D. Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study. American Thoracic Society International Conference. May 23, 2006.

    Researchers at the Kaiser-Permanente HMO, funded by NIDA, followed 65,000 patients for nearly a decade, comparing cancer rates among non-smokers, tobacco smokers, and marijuana smokers. Tobacco smokers had massively higher rates of lung cancer and other cancers. Marijuana smokers who didn’t also use tobacco had no increase in risk of tobacco-related cancers or of cancer risk overall. In fact their rates of lung and most other cancers were slightly lower than non-smokers. Sidney, S. et al. Marijuana Use and Cancer Incidence (California, United States). Cancer Causes and Control. Vol. 8. Sept. 1997, p. 722-728.

    “Components of cannabis smoke minimize some carcinogenic pathways whereas tobacco smoke enhances some. Both types of smoke contain carcinogens and particulate matter that promotes inflammatory immune responses that may enhance the carcinogenic effects of the smoke. However, cannabis typically down-regulates immunologically-generated free radical production by promoting a Th2 immune cytokine profile. Furthermore, THC inhibits the enzyme necessary to activate some of the carcinogens found in smoke. In contrast, tobacco smoke increases the likelihood of carcinogenesis by overcoming normal cellular checkpoint protective mechanisms through the activity of respiratory epithelial cell nicotine receptors. Cannabinoids receptors have not been reported in respiratory epithelial cells (in skin they prevent cancer), and hence the DNA damage checkpoint mechanism should remain intact after prolonged cannabis exposure. Furthermore, nicotine promotes tumor angiogenesis whereas cannabis inhibits it.”

    See:http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/2/1/21

  • LennyHMJ

    Shouts to Steve Elliot for constantly fighting the good fight. I usually stay away from topics like this but this is definitely blowing up right now. It needs to be addressed and you are on the front lines reporting. Thanks for writing about this!

  • Charles Waller

    News flash from real science land Mal. I believed also that smoking cannabis incurred some risk of cancer, until I read the results of Dr. Tashkin’s NIDA funded long term pulmonary study to prove smoking “pot” was a greater risk for lung cancer than tobacco – which was commonly accepted. He discovered, to his chagrin, that while the smoke did indeed cause similar cellular damage to the throat and respiratory system the cannabis smoke repaired that damage as it occured – unlike tobacco caused damage which is cumulative. Subsequent studies have confirmed those findings. In the face of overwhelming empirical evidence, I changed my opinion – as any rational person would. The greatest adverse health impact from smoking real, natural, uncontaminated cannabis is chronic bronchitis. Vaporizing might seem less risky, but the scientific data is not yet available as no significant studies of vaporization have been done, much less comparison studies with smoking. One acknowledged benefit of smoking cannabis is increased lung capacity and expulsion force (medical term escapes me atm) caused by deeply inhaling large amounts of cannabis smoke and holding it in – the traditional method. Before you make unsupported statements about science, I would recommend doing some research yourself.

  • purplediamond

    When you are on a TV show you have absolutely NO control over what they use !!! The only way you control what is used is to ONLY say what you want used. The view is NOT taped for hours with lots of cutting & pasting. It is a LIVE show so nothing is cut, a few second delay in case of cuss words, so, in the case of, “The View” your argument just sank.

  • purplediamond

    Decriminalize & Reschedule!! NOT legalize HUGE difference. Time to change the language & goal. Legalizing takes it OUT of our hands & right into big money.

  • purplediamond

    Same reason Obama got the peace prize, someone bought off someone. Remember “It’s ALL about the money” for most of these people. At least that’s what the cop told us when we were testifying in Nevada.

  • purplediamond

    EXACTLY!!! Here in NV this past session we got dispensaries & MPP was trying to take credit. But it was our little unfunded, non-profit Wecan702.org that got the law changed with the help of a lobbyist, Rebeca Gasca, who a private person paid. We held fundraisers & were able to pay for people to travel to testify in Reno 3 times.

  • purplediamond

    I have to defend the heels, I would wear them too if I still could!!! I’m 4’11″.

  • purplediamond

    The video above at 57 seconds she is NOT wearing pumps, she’s in flats. Maybe when she was on stage she had heels?

  • purplediamond

    I see part of Shari’s point. CS does “look” nice & like the average woman on the street. Not beautiful, not ugly, someone we all would talk to without thinking twice. Her “look” & probably Hollywood connections is what got her on TV. It’s just too bad she’s hollow inside & only about herself.

  • purplediamond

    I read that the liquid people use to mix with the cannabis oils is the same stuff they use in many of the breathing treatments & other inhaled drugs. People keep saying pharmaceutical drugs aren’t inhaled yet they are, so I am leaning towards safer then smoking. Although in my opinion eating the DE-carboxolated Cannabis Essential Oil is THE way to cure your aliments !!

  • kathy n

    i could not agree more. decriminalize is the way to go. just do it and leave us the hell alone. big government, big pharma will ruin whatever they grow. i would never buy from that vein. they are going to destroy a miracle. so glad we all have seeds and will be the keepers of the herb that literally cures everything!

  • SteveSarich

    You make some compelling points. There are other “activists” that I’m fairly certain fall into this category, why not Shuman? Certainly NORML founder Keith Stroup set the legalization movement back decades when snitched off Dr. Jeffrey Bourne, Jimmy Carter’s Drug Policy Advisor, for using cocaine at NORML party thrown by Stroup.

  • HempShare

    Real Scientific Hemp Oil – RSHO is one of their FAKE products which is a play on Rick Simpson Hemp Oil (RSHO) the original Phoenix Tears.

    The “DECARBOXYLATED” label is obviously ripped-off from my bringing decarboxylation into the spotlight in my tweets and on the hempshare.org website.

    I figured someone else would call her out first, but CBD Gum, CannaChew, all these fake products with “CBD” in them are just made with simple Hemp Oil you can purchase at the grocery store.

    This is exactly why Prohibition should be lifted. So financial incentives to deceive patients go away.

    http://realscientifichempoil.com/

    http://cannachew.com/

    Most of their websites look the same. So you’ll know when it is them.

    They got the idea from my mock website: DoctorHemp.com

    People like this will be vaporized in Hell.

  • Mike Boutin

    Pooman in the same way she does everything else, is a liar and an exaggerator.
    I was involved with “Weed Country” from day one. Pooman had nothing to do with it, was never “offered” any involvement.

    It was the boast that she was on FB right before airing that even got her any attention from the producers at all. It was because I called her on her bullshit on FB and it started a big stink.
    The producers asked me to lay off of her and a find a way to solve it because they didn’t want the ratings hurt by her and her drama.
    So I let her insinuate.
    It doesn’t even work the way she thinks and claims. Discovery does not pitch reality TV to people.
    Producers who are very much free lance talents find interesting content, make a sizzle or pitch reel, and have “show runners” the people with access run it by Execs and that is how it is done. By gate keepers.
    Like any communicable disease she will continue in her capacity to infect the unaware, and so in that sense I weigh in with some anti bacterial here.

  • Charles Waller

    You read what where?? Link? References? The majority of extract oil in suspension is produced with seed oil as the media, or another vegetable oil. Pure extract oil is neither in tincture or suspension, dilution in suspension is typically done after extraction to achieve specific %s of cannabinoid content. Some manufacturers of oil intended for supplemental use add other plant essential oil for that purpose and for flavoring. I would be very interested jn reading the information you refer to, as I have seen nothing of that nature yet.

  • Charles Waller

    I think you are mistaken, and confusing seed oil with low CBD content supplemental oils. Cannabinoid content in seed oil arrives through contamination in processing. The products you refer to are not pure extract oil used for medicinal purposes, they have low CBD content which helps with inflammation and some chronic conditions. Seed oil is high in essential fatty acids and sold many places. Any extract oil, in any strength, is still technically a violation of CSA Schedule 1 listing, although some manufacturers have received both FDA & USDA tacit approval for national sales based on meeting the requirements regarding THC content. Stick to the facts please, regardless of your personal opinion. P.S. Rick didn’t invent, discover or create anything – he researched and duplicated the results of a long list of scientists and physicians in “western medicine” going back to Dr. Shaughnessy in 1847. If you’re not familiar with that name I suggest you do your own research instead of joining the “RSO” fanboys.

  • Charles Waller

    Excellent response and references. I wish more people who post comments would be as concise and factual. Thank you.

  • Charles Waller

    Back up the claims please, so more people have facts at hand. Jumping to conclusions based purely on subjective reasoning and logic is not empirical or factual evidence. BTW, jot this down and use for reference: There – location. They’re – contraction for they are. Their – possessive.

  • Charles Waller

    Steve, based on this issue and the ensuing commentary the tiny bit of scepticism I had regarding you is alleviated. Keep up the good work, please.

  • Woodstuck

    Moms for Marijuana – I am sorry. While I have been aware of your cause (and still believe in the “cause”), I can no longer support this organization with the likes of Cheryl Shuman involved. This is NOT a person who represents our cannabis cause or is any kind of person representative of those who have truly fought and worked their butts off for years to bring cannabis recognition and truth to the people. Her lack of education and proven lies and statements on T.V. and elsewhere have brought me to this decision. I hope we can all help shut down the Cheryl Shuman factory of personal profits and pleasures. This is not what I spend my time fighting for in this war on drugs. I would rather remove myself from any connection with this organization. I do not like phonies, I do not like people out for personal gain on the backs of so many who are actually educated and trying to WIN this war on an Ally. I can only hope you will see this same light before it is too late for your once fine organization. Thank You. http://www.weedsthatplease.com/Seniors

  • Robyn Hempaz, BC

    About 18:50 into ‘The Marijuana Movie’ Dr Tashkin points out YES indeed the cannabinoids in #MedMj appear to disable certain functions of fledgling lung cancer cells.

    How else to explain the discrepancy in lung cancer incidence between chronic cigarette (tobacco) smokers and simply chronic ‘tokers’ of Medical Marijuana…if not for the #phytocannabinoids present in #MedMj smoke?

    Yet, he did not TOTALLY exempt smokers who traditionally inhale #Cannabis smoke from pipes and spliffs at temperatures far above the combustion level required to release the trichomes of their #phytocannabinoids.

    Dweeb is NOT exempt from the scourge of modern day #COPD which includes the ‘old fashioned’ disease of #Emphysema.

    I believe you are missing the point of Cheryl’s demonstration of the vapor pen.

    Vaporizers in various shapes and sizes are a viable means of REDUCING the temperature of combustion back down to acceptable levels needed to simply release the trichomes of their #phytocannabinoids.

    Why suck in all of the same ‘K-rapp’ that exists in tobacco smoke, sans nicotine?

    Carbon monoxide, for example, is a KILLER !

    And, if you don’t think #Emphysema will not take the ‘wind’ out of your sails, ask Johnny Carson !

    Oh! He’s gone now…but, in his later years he was not able to swim comfortably or as strongly due to all of his earlier years of smoking a pack or two of cigarettes a day.

    No, you have miss’d the boat on this one.

    Cheryl is attempting to show the American public that indeed #MedMj is NOT as harmful as smoking cigarettes.

    Besides, the incidence of smoking in America, tobacco or otherwise is and has been thankfully on the wane.

    Not so much in 3rd world countries.

    Lung cancer and #COPD continue to run wild in 3rd world countries.

    However, to like or dislike the actual ritual of rolling spliffs, sucking on water bongs, etc. is a decision best left up to the individual patient.

    Personally, why not vaporize the plant material, and then bake the residue into your favorite Ghiradelli chocolate mix?

    Why risk the #COPD?

    And, by the way, the market for vapor pens is already being fragmented and segmented by psychographics and demographics.

    What brand of vapor pen Cheryl prefers is insignificant.

    What does matter is having the opportunity to be present the option of vaporization to millions of mothers and other viewers across America watching pensively via the #View.

    Now, how many other #PotMom’s out there wish THEY could have been the one invited by Cheryl to the show?

    Keep it green, pip’le !

    RT @Hempazonia: 18:50 into ‘The Marijuana Movie’ Dr #Tashkin says… C=> http://medmj.us/DrTashkinSay #GotTree? #Please #ReTweet

  • SteveSarich

    Uhhhhh…and you POINT IS? I don’t think anyone was arguing that vaporization doesn’t have advantages over smoking, at least that I read here.

    I think the two issues were that?
    A) Cheryl Shuman LIED and said that smoking marijuana causes cancer….and…
    B) She clearly lied to sell a piece-of-shit vape pen that she was pushing at the time by putting out total misinformation to the public that is not as aware as the rest of us.

    And are you somehow defending this liar by arguing that anyone would have gone along with this lie in order to be on a TV show with Cheryl Shuman?

    What’s all the bullshit talk about the dangers of smoking tobacco have to do with this conversation….beside drawing attention away from one of the biggest scammers involved with the cannabis community? I’m sure that if Johnny Carson were alive today he’d be asking you the same question….how did he get involved with this story?

    If you have a point in this rather lengthy posting, I’m pretty sure it’s lost on everyone here….not just me.

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  • Charles Waller

    My bad in a post today. I relied on my faulty memory and omitted the “O’” from Dr. O’Shaughnessy’s name. The past 10 days without any herbal medicine has begun to take a toll on my cognitive functioning. I normally check and doublecheck my citations before posting, but the combination of no medicine and this stupid android touch screen tablet has whittled away at my patience and attention span – especially when dealing with people who are perfectly capable of researching facts for themselves, rather than blindly parroting bullshit and prohibitionist propaganda. I can only reiterate, mea culpa.

  • Charles Waller

    Kudos. I bow to your superior skills. I cry mercy.

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    What I got out of it was that Cheryl Shuman being a profiteer was a good thing.

    I do not concur.

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    You can’t get “hemp oil” at the grocery store. That’s hemp SEED oil. There’s a difference.

    Unfortunately, since we don’t care about explaining the difference, it is being exploited by unscrupulous marketers, and people will likely die, all in the name of fraudulent profits, reaped from a wilfully ignorant population, by the deliberate mislabelling of what they’re selling as something it is not.

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    And people wonder why I keep saying “REPEAL CANNABIS PROHIBITION” and put an end to all this idiocy and misinformation and fraud and profiteering once and for all.

    Once it’s over, it’s OVER. If it ain’t….it ain’t.

    Fairly simple choice…but NOBODY wants to make it.

  • Tiger Weedz

    There are more big canna/Budsanto wannabes out there than Shuman. The best thing to do is ignore their appearances & not buy from their advertisers. Then they will be passed over for the next flavor of the week & hopefully that 1 won’t be a hateful tweaking loser like Shuman is.

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    Boycott the Greedy Big $$ Dispensary Cartels with their overtaxed, government regulated warehouse schwag.

    Support your LOCAL private grower / caregiver … or grow your own.

    Stop the Corporate Commercialization of Cannabis!

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  • Debra Edwards

    She’s looking for the cha-ching..for ONLY herself and not the movement…..can I actually post B-I-A-T-C-H..or $$$ hungry money grabbing cunt..she can take that pen and put it at her bedside table..pick it up when she’s all lonely and shit, until she finds something else to put her fake ass in the limelight..if anything, for us, karma and lies all unfold..one day!!! All she has ever done is think of $$$..activist , “MY ASS”! My mom was an activist for weed in the 70′s..she has had cancer in several different forms…V-V, Lemphynodes, skin, sinuses, and lost her nose to this 2 years ago!! At least my mom, had a sense of humor..she said ” Hey, I never liked that one anyways…Now, I get to pick one I like”, after surgery..my mom is still happy…and that bitch will never be!! Whom will be around a deathbed for her?? S.O.S. Plastic burning causes cancer!!!

  • purplediamond

    LOL..Charles, if I knew I would be quizzed later I would have kept the link. I know there are inhaled meds for diabetes, COPD, Hypertenstion, asthma & a couple others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inhaled_insulin From what I know of the patients around me smoking or vaping it is mainly for pain, seizure & nausea pretty much everyone else is using it in the DE-carboxolated Cannabis Essential Oil form which is extracted threw heat & alcohol.

  • Charles Waller

    Extract oil is produced through various methods. CO2 extraction retains the widest range of plant compounds and leaves no solvent residue. Regardless of method, medically pure grades are typically diluted in either alcohol or oil. Sativex is marketed by GW Pharma in an oral-mucosal spray, extract oil in alcohol tincture with propylene glycol added. Making extract oil is easy, producing medical grade extract oil requires a bit more knowledge. Juicing raw cannabinoids is beneficial also. I’m not well informed on locally available medical cannabis products in the states which have passed measures, I don’t reside in one of them. All cannabis possession in KY is considered illegal, with only a very small amount qualifying for civil misdemeanor charges.

  • HempShare

    I’m well aware. Hemp Seed Oil is VERY medicinal in its own right. If you take a look at my efforts: realRSHO.com and rsho.org. I expressly address the situation while skirting a legal accusation. What they are doing is not illegal. I would think it certainly is an FDA issue, but where are they? Well, we don’t know that this isn’t intentional to tarnish the whole market as a bunch of stoners ripping people off who can only then protect the public…but corporate America with Ritz CannaCrackers instead of a local farm product. There actions have all the hallmarks of an insider job. I mean who press releases the WSJ unless you’re intentionally attempting to program vernacular. This initial wave will crash & burn. The “real” moms are smart. They won’t be fooled. The ones I worry about are the ones on fixed income, elderly etc who these guys are ripping off selling concentrated Hemp CBD into a market thinking they are getting Cannabis CBD. The catch is…Hemp is SO Great in and of itself that these people are actually having efficacy. We can’t worry about them. They’ve already been called pump n dump.

  • http://Overgrow.ning.com/ ElectroPig Von FökkenGrüven

    Cannabis was “legalized” the second they wrote the first statute making cannabis “illegal”, thus importing a real plant from the tangible, physical universe into the imaginary realm of “statutory control, enforcement and punishment, which only exists inside of a courtroom.”

    I really wish more people would push for the REPEAL OF CANNABIS PROHIBITION, so that we could “de-legalize cannabis”, and put prohibition in the past, as an idiotic chapter we refuse to deal with again.

    If you say “I want it legal”, then the same rules apply: You have to write a statute to specifically LIMIT PEOPLE’S RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS.

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    I’ve always enjoyed how Emery stabs innocent people in the back, and then gets her little internet lackeys to “fill in the blanks” so that she can say “I never said that!”, when it’s so blatantly obvious that she’s directing the comments of her moronic minions.

    Far as I’ve seen, Shuman is just in it for the money, as well. You don’t get on an international TV broadcast and REFUSE to mention the repeal of prohibition, choosing instead to push for taxation we don’t need, and to try to hawk some electronic cigarette that few people want. (That I’ve also heard she’s no longer associated with now, less than 6 months later…)

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  • purplediamond

    I live in a medical state & there are plenty of arguments on which extraction method is better. Pretty much everyone I know does it with an everclear base & they get 99% of the alcohol out & it has been curing cancers & others stuff using that method. The people I know don’t dilute it with anything unless they are vapping it.

  • Charles Waller

    Most of the people I know burn petroleum based fuels in their vehicles, but that doesn’t mean it is better than biofuels. The facts remain, CO2 extraction preserves a wider range of plant compounds and leaves absolutely no solvent residue in the extracted product. I believe, according to empirical standards, that means it is a superior method. Everclear 190 proof works well, but is inferior to CO2 extraction. When it comes to producing medical products, cost should not be the primary factor unless profit is the motive. Cutting corners is not acceptable. The quality and phytocompound content should be the primary consideration. CO2 is readily available for small scale extraction, and preferable under controlled conditions. I am not disputing that high quality ethanol extracted products are beneficial, but unfortunately the majority of extraction is not being done under the proper controlled conditions. All other factors being equal, CO2 extraction eliminates the potential for absorbtion of airborne water molecules with environmental contaminants. Mold and other contaminants can be introduced to ethanol used in extraction unless controlled conditions meet laboratory standards. Many patients have experienced adverse reactions to such contaminants, and that is a serious situation for people with compromised immune systems. Just because a lot of people do something doesn’t mean it is the best way.

  • purplediamond

    I see your point. Nevada is a do it yourself/grow your own state. I can tell you my rice cooker, everclear, silicon spatula, fan & coffee warmer have served me well. I started making the oil in May & taking it for severe arthritis. My side effects have been a loss of 65 pounds, without changing one thing I eat, & I am able to walk farther then from the front door to the end of a normal city driveway. I can make about 3 blocks & the pain is much less. I never took pain pills they all make me sick or itchy. In April we will have dispensaries & then we will be able to buy it having been produced under perfect conditions. The way I do it has worked for me so I’ll stick with that until I have access to better.

  • Charles Waller

    Congrat’s on handling your own health care needs, I wish I were in a similar position. As to “perfect conditions” of cultivation, handling, etc. being the status quo of dispensary supplied herbage – I would withhold judgement until you see the actual results. The results in other states to date have been … mixed, to say the least.

  • Boutin

    Cheryl Shuman is a liar who insinuates things and inserts herself into situations.
    She had NO involvement with anyone from Weed Country or the production of it, unless it was her lame attempt to swindle me and the NYPD cop Nicholas afterwards.
    Just more of her trying to attach herself for appearances sake.

    They had no idea who she was when she started pandering to them and insinuating on FB she had any involvement.

    I totally called her out on it on FB but when the thing blew up a little the producers asked me to leave her alone.

    The only reason? They felt all she could do was damage it.

    She pandered to Bill Pruitt who may have had a lunch with her after the blow up in an attempt to feel out who she was and what she wanted.

    Like the article says, she takes one reportable fact and turns it into a construct.

    If everyone who used cannabis was like her, I would switch sides.

  • Boutin

    OMG are you ever deluded.

  • Boutin

    I love that word. I been calling shuman a canna grifter for a long time now….

  • Boutin

    ASA doesn’t lobby for our interests. They are lobbyists for dispensaries.
    The average Joe and his canna rights mean nothing to them. Wake up.
    But then again no real need because they got their name taken from them and the new ASA IS for patients and their agenda.

  • SteveSarich

    There IS no, “old” ASA and “new” ASA. It’s still Steph Sherer and her merry band of grifters selling snake oil. They grifting here in Washington again, using Kari Boiter, but their grift is coming to an end. They have no patient base here in Washington and they DO NOT help Washington patients. They are here to grift money….period.

  • Shari Peterson

    If so deluded name one other that is a household name in more heart of America states.
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  • Scott Sherwood

    NV’s dispensary laws were supposed to be in place by April, that has now shifted to Sept. Mind you the prices of tested oil will (hopefully) be the same or less than CA at $35-$60. I too make my own RSO with rice cooker, etc.for whoever is so inclined. The main difference is I don’t charge anything. If someone comes to me with cancer or other terminal illness, on SSI or SSA who can’t afford a $1200 batch of oil. Thank Shiva for them, without their help I couldn’t do what I do. It is the growers who are responsible for this. Several give me free trim or shake to make the free oil with, lots of it.

  • Scott Sherwood

    CO2 Extraction really is a great way to make Oils and waxes. It is my preferred method. I just don’t have access to my buddy’s set up all the time and don’t have the $$ to buy my own. So I use Butane for wax and ever-clear for oils.

  • Charles Waller

    I hope you’re using the proper grade of butane, to minimize the solvent residue and adverse impact.

  • purplediamond

    What I have also learned is even if someone is poor they need to at least cover the cost of the alcohol (I use EverClear ) .It’s under $100 so most poor people can afford it. I have also learned that when most people get something for nothing they are are wasteful & value it less EVEN when they know it could save their life. We gave to a guy who used the whole 3 month protocol in 6 weeks. He’s now dead. We all tried to help him for over 2 years. But he also refused to stop smoking cigarettes, & then he caved to the doctors & did Radiation & Chemo. I’m sure the radiation is what killed him off in the end. I do not think the prices will be as low as California for the first couple years. Mainly because the state is requiring so much money to open & run one. $5000 JUST to apply!NON-refundable PLUS investigation fess which were NOT limited in the law. Then $30,000 for the first year & $250,000 in liquid assets. PLUS the state will tell YOU what your building can look like you logo & your name HAS to be approved. We are expecting them to charge $500 to $600 an ounce, we will have reciprocity too

  • Scott Sherwood

    No doubt. With my illnesses I couldn’t afford and contaminants. Mold is the worse for me , can lead to pneumonia. I’m now also using the 7x filtered stuff

  • Scott Sherwood

    BTW we were mulling over Silver Freedom, we applied for 2, Henderson and Stateline

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  • Scott Sherwood

    Thanks for the info Charles

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  • Jennifer

    OMFG – THANK YOU for your honesty !

  • Jennifer

    This comment lacks insight. I’ll leave it at that.

  • Jennifer

    Shari Peterson, you are not getting it.

  • Jennifer

    Ha !
    Well put.

  • Jennifer

    Well but here’s the rub. On a slightly different issue, I have noted that Cheryl Shuman, has not got one clue about the CPS interplay with MMJ. I tried to post on her FB a constructive, informational comment, and my comment was deleted, presumably by Cheryl, although I’m not clear why. It’s troubling to think she is censoring any view that isn’t aligned with hers. That’s certainly not very transparent. At any rate, I’d like to have a public discussion with her about CPS and marijuana and parenting. Seems you know her quite well, Shari Peterson, can you set this up?

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    For someone who had/has liver cancer, Cheryl seems to consume a lot of alcohol. This writing and the venerable Mike Boutin’s anecdote on another piece describe sake drinking. Not smart considering the liver processes alcohol and the connections between liver failure and booze

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    I get the sneaking suspicion that–not actually having a husband, and I ain’t built me no kinda chillenfolk jess quite yit–you must have been referring to someone else.

    The fact that nothing else you said applies in any way to me also lends credence to this theory.

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